In this episode, Jonathan and Jeffrey sit down with the incomparable Samantha Katz, a woman whose life story blends Wall Street innovation, cocktail‑world community building, and the birth of one of New York’s most influential distilling movements. Recorded at Dear Irving on Hudson, the conversation moves from laughs to jaw‑dropping revelations as Samantha shares how she went from creating environmental markets at age 19 to becoming a central figure in New York’s craft spirits renaissance.

And in Tipple Time, the Gurus welcome back Paul Massey, who brings a fascinating seasonal ingredient to the table: Pawpaw, America’s forgotten fruit.